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NY Sun crossword, 8/18 [Sep. 30th, 2006|05:34 pm]
Crosswords Without Pity


As an antidote, I've been doing some old New York Sun crosswords I'd missed, and wow, it's nice to have good crosswords. But a gripe about the 8/18 puzzle:

"Like some French consonants" = NASAL is a terrible clue. Indeed, some French consonants are nasal. So are some English consonants, some Japanese consonants, some Hawai'ian consonants, some consonants in nearly every other language on Earth; and indeed, some consonants. This is like clueing WHITE as "Like some French wines", or HOT as "Like some French summers".

Now, some French vowels are nasal, and that's a more notable fact about the French language. I think the editor utterly fell down on the job on this one.

(On the other hand, "He might have described himself as a coated knowledge professor" is brilliant.)

[User Picture]From: mello_cat
2006-10-01 03:35 pm (UTC)
Er, OK. I'll admit my eyes glaze over whenever I try to read up on anything relating to phonetics. My submitted clue referenced a passage. I got the revised clues to review and said "French, nasal? -- yeah, they seem to go together". So I didn't demur on that clue when given the chance.

And I also really liked the Spooner clue, which was much much better than what I had submitted.
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[User Picture]From: tahnan
2006-10-02 03:08 am (UTC)
Ah--was this yours? Well, as I said, I blamed the editor for the nasal clue; I'm glad to know it was in fact his clue (or his testsolver's) and not yours.

Anyway, good puzzle otherwise. :-)
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[User Picture]From: mello_cat
2006-10-03 11:56 pm (UTC)
Yep, one of mine. Can't say I remembered the nasal clue but Rev. Spooner I did recall. I would not have come up with that clue for nasal (given my aforementioned eyes-glazing-over response to trying to read about anything phonetics), but since the Sun editor goes to the trouble of distributing clues prior to publication for constructors to check out, it's only fair to share some of the blame for inaccurate/off-the-mark ones. And I will say they seem to be really really really really really rare.
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